The Right Questions with James Victore
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The Right Questions with James Victore
Episode 78: The Luxury of Losing Everything
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Oh Shit
Susie Batiz went from surviving abuse, depression, and bankruptcy to building Poo-Pourri into a cultural icon and a massive business built on a deceptively simple idea: make the bathroom smell better. The part that grabbed us, though, isn’t the product story. It’s how she learned to trust her intuition when life stripped everything else away, and how that “luxury of losing everything” became the reset that finally felt like freedom.
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Why Susie’s Story Matters
SPEAKER_00Dearest gang of mine. Got something special for you today. Back at the end of the year, I recorded a conversation with someone who I am um lucky to call a creative pal of mine. Susie is the creator of the Pooh Parie bathroom spray. So I recorded the interview and I never released it, so I'm going to uh release it with you now, this conversation we had. Um here is an intro about Susie. At 38, Susie Batiz had lived through sexual and domestic abuse, depression, a suicide attempt, and was struggling through her second bankruptcy. At this point, most of us would accept circumstance as just who we are. Susie is not the rest of us. Through the experience of what she calls the luxury of losing everything, she began to experience shifts and ease and freedom that she had been seeking for years. Only a handful of years later, she built a deceptively simple idea for a new business. Blending her love of essential oils with entrepreneurship and a simple, near-universal need. Her creation was the Pooh Purry Bathroom Spray, a$400 million company built around bathroom odor. What Susie learned along the way was how to tune into her intuition and listen to her gut, her body's intelligence, to free her creative energies and achieve a naturally abundant flow state called resonance. Her story is about following ideas that feel alive. And it is some crazy shit. That's all I can say. Holy shit. Prepare to get your minds blown. Uh today, here as my guest, I have uh a force of nature. I have none other than a uh the a lover of all things natural and all things supernatural, uh an entrepreneur, a a empowerment guide. I have Susie Batiz here on the show. So I'm gonna wait and um for her for her to come and sign in. You guys are gonna get um your doors blown off today. I'm really looking forward to this conversation. Um and I'm glad we can make it happen. It's she's been very generous in giving us her time. So I'm glad that you guys are here. Uh let's see, I'm gonna have her sign on here. Hey, it's good to see y'all here. Um here, JC, dude, you're all you're you're awesome. Uh Susie is here. Uh let's see, let's C C C request to join. Really looking forward to this conversation. And I don't get nervous. I don't get nervous that often, and yet here I am. Hello, dear.
SPEAKER_02Hi, how are you? I'm okay.
SPEAKER_00I'm okay. I'm yeah, I'm I'm extremely excited to have this this conversation. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02Me too. You know, I had a few people um message me as like, is it central? So hopefully I was like, oh shit. I know we didn't say that word.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, I think my group, I think my group knows knows I'm in Texas time, but um hey, uh I I um I wanna I was mentioning earlier, just before you got on, that I don't get nervous. I don't get nervous talking to people, I don't get nervous going on stage, but as I as I as I um uh shared with you earlier this morning, I'm I'm like, I don't know if it's fanboy or what it is, but I was nervous and I'm nervous now.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I thought you were nervous about the word shit.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, I mean you I'm not nervous about that word. I'm just using it um in conjunction with um with with you or someone who I kind of respect but don't know that well.
SPEAKER_02So we'll uh we'll be nervous together. I'm a fan of yours too.
SPEAKER_00You know, and it's and it's funny too because I don't know where it comes from. Um uh but I but I but this one story did come up, which you know, so I've had I've had two um two showings on the third floor of the Museum of Modern Art in New York. And the first show, um, I had five pieces up on the wall, and I I brought my folks into town and took them to the took them to the museum, and we left the museum and we're having we're I took him out to lunch, and and my mother says, Don't you do anything nice? And I think that's kind of stuck to me. I think that's stuck to me. And in our exchange, you said um, you know, it was it's about this, it's about this kind of and and I know that you help people, you are an empowerment coach. Um and I think we both try to to help people get over those that training, that that that mindset that we get stuck in.
The Denim Pumps That Haunted New York
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes. And I'd have to tell you, I had a story about New York. So when you're talking about MoMA, um when I was 17, I designed a pair of denim pumps. My boyfriend uh worked at a shoe factory, and back then, 1981, um you would wear colored pumps with a colored shirt, right? So I only had red and pink pumps because my job at Burger King and Pizza Hut, you know, only I could only afford that. And I thought, you know, if these were denim, they would match everything. So my boyfriend's mother or aunt worked in a shoe factory. I cut up some jeans, some leather, get some shoes made, and I called guests in New York. And I was like, hey, I made these denim pumps, right? And they were like, come see us. We're doing a shoe line. So I go to my mom and I said, Oh my God, I got to go to New York. And she said, You can't go to New York. You're just a little girl from Arkansas. They're gonna chew you up and spit you out, right? So then let's fast forward to maybe even probably 2019, like six years ago, I was in New York and I called one of my friends, a creative coach. And I was like, I don't know what it is about New York. I'm comfortable in LA, all over the world, but New York, I just I feel uneasy. And she said, Susie, it was the denim pumps, right? And it just hit me. So then I go in and I do like EMDR and therapy right on that. And then the next time I was in in New York, seriously, James, I was at one of those parties, you know, with all the supermodels and all the people. And I was like, wow, what a difference, right? So that just shows how that inner work, right, is reflected external. And I was having these horrible New York experiences just because of when I was, you know, 17. Yeah. That's amazing when it stays with us.
Fear, Failure, And Taking Action
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, one of the one of the things that you um I had gone through through um um some posts that you did, and there was one that was I thought was fairly striking. And it was, of course, it was from one of my heroes, uh Buckminister Fuller. And it was a quote from from Bucky that said, Um, the minute you begin to do what you really want to do, um, then you're you begin to live a really different kind of life. And I think that's what both of us try to try to try to put out in our work is getting people to kind of like allow that in themselves, allow themselves to to to to be more comfortable in their own skin, even.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and you know, you know the number one thing, and you may hear it too with people, you know, if they want to be an entrepreneur, I'll say, Well, what's holding you back? They're like, I'm scared, I could fail. And I said, You could, right? So once you realize you could fail, but really what is failing? Is failing not to even attempt it, or is failing you attempt it and it doesn't quite work? Because you can always you always learn by at least going for it. When you just sit back and you don't, my experience is you don't learn a lot, you know? So I would rather put myself in a learning opportunity, and at least I gained something in the process and you start building up that muscle, don't you think, about being braver and braver over time? So it's literally taking that. I remember back in the day, all of the oh, what was it called? All the manifestation. What was that first movie? The secret. And I was like, that's great, but what they're missing is action, right? It's like, yes, you can think the wonderful thoughts, you can do everything, but you gotta start moving. The universe responds with action, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, action, action, uh, action beats worry, action beats too much thinking. You know, action, action always wins.
SPEAKER_02Always always wins, man. And that's what I see is that people, it's like you're gonna be afraid. I just watched the series uh House of David. Have you seen that? No, it's so good. I just I don't know a lot about the Bible. I'm trying to catch up, but basically, yeah, it's it's number one. Most films in that genre aren't done well. This is done really beautifully. But I loved it. Like David's getting ready to go fight Goliath. And they were like, How are you not afraid? He's like, I am afraid, right? It's like, okay, that's for courage. That's the difference between, you know, it's like that's the definition of courage is being afraid, but going ahead and doing it anyway. And as long as you know you can fail and you set yourself up for that, like I it could not work, you know, and I'm gonna have to, you know, pet myself and be okay. But you know, once you make peace with that, I find then you can move forward, not be attached. That's the thing. People think that, and and I'd love to ask you, like in art, you know, I I want to come to a workshop with James. That's on my bucket list because I'm such a fan. I saw he does that. I'm like, oh, I want to, I just got children strike now.
SPEAKER_00Change your world, baby. Change the world.
SPEAKER_02But you know, the thing is, it's like I forgot where I was going, but basically, you know, it's like, yeah, you can fail, you know, that's absolutely true. Oh, James, this is really good. This is gonna be really cathartic and therapeutic for me.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, it's it's funny. I think you chimed in when I had uh I had my gal Sophia here. So see Sophia and I have been working together, and she decided to come here and do it live. And when she was just I showed her a bunch of bunch of new tools that she hadn't worked with, and she was making stuff and she was she was looking at the whole body of work and going, This is all a failure. And I just was able to like take these two pieces, put them together and look at and say, look at this, look what you did. If you stop coming from that with those fucking glasses on, if you stop coming from a place of fear, yeah, you know, because I think I think I think you know, what we what we especially when it comes to action, it's telling the universe that that that that we want this, it's telling the universe that we're ready to make these moves past, you know, uh past the fear.
Art Shame, Wallpaper, And Healing
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Oh, that's so good. I remember I was always really great at art, and I had something happen in college. I took um art for non-majors or something, right? And there was this big, I grew up in Arkansas, okay? So he said, bring in something that you like, a syllable if you want to paint. Everybody else had like fruit and stuff. I brought in a piece of wallpaper because I liked the little cherry blossoms on the wallpaper. And we're in this, you know, auditorium setting. And I go down, I'm asking him a question, and he goes, Is this wallpaper? You know, I can still hear it reverberating in my head. Yes. And he goes, Why do you have wallpaper? And I'm like, Well, I like the flowers. And he gives me this whole, well, there's the, you know, I don't know, whatever Chinese dynasty of flowers. And and I left the class. He ended up giving me like a C in it, even though I never finished it. But it'll be really therapeutic for us because I just remembered that. Like I got sweaty, like going, oh my God, wallpaper, you know, abandoned art.
SPEAKER_00Two things that are very funny here. One, it is because I deal with a lot of artists who or artists who take jobs that are fringe to what they want. That's not really what they want. It's close to the action because of their fear. And two, um, it is amazing how an art instructor can complete shut somebody down and often do. It's nuts. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So are you gonna be there with me if I'm just crying? And I'm not just I had a similar trauma with voice. My my father was a musician and used to get on to me. So I get this big, I was dating this musician, he gets me in with this guy who trained like Whitney Houston and Andre Bitcelli. Our very first hour, he just had to hold me while I cried. But seriously, he goes singing. I was like, so we have those traumas, but they're also an opportunity for us to overcome, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And your flowers, your your wallpaper, yeah. I mean, you're using that in your product now, aren't you? Exactly.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it's see how it all worked out?
SPEAKER_00It's it's it's a it's a it's a it's a recurring motif. And it should be. Again, that's what you know, the the the book that you that that you're involved in, the the Hey Weirdo, that's one of the cruxes of the book is if if you can go back and find those things that you love and those things that you fear and put them in your work, put them in your vocabulary, take charge of those and own those, it'll change your lives.
SPEAKER_02Wow. Oh, I love that. And I love the also speaking about it, you know. I think was it Anne Lamont, maybe in Bird by Bird? She's I think it's her. She says something about whatever you most fear, paint it red. Was that her? Yeah, you know, and I get chill bumps right now. It's like, let's talk about those fears. You know, I just told you and I said I may come and do this with you, and we may cry for a couple of days, and then and then maybe I'll pick up the paintbrush, you know. I don't know. We don't know what's gonna happen, but just the process itself and taking that action, right? Which what we thought were weird, which is what you talk about. I felt so weird then, you know, it's like, oh my God, something's wrong with me. I brought wallpaper to an art class, you know.
SPEAKER_00Um, you know, you you mentioned that word weird. Um, I gotta tell you, I didn't want that book, that word on the cover. And I didn't want to be associated with that word because I heard it so much in my life that it became a slur. And I still not I am not 100% comfortable with it. I know its power and I know the um uh I know that what what can come when we accept that and move past that again, you know, start using it and becoming more comfortable, but I hate that word.
SPEAKER_02Well, it's because yeah, that's it, you know, you go back to grade school, you know, and I again I have all these stories, but I remember, you know, my clothes were all homemade. And I remember in second grade, all the girls were sitting over there laughing, right? And I didn't know something was wrong, right? And all of a sudden I look down and I'm like, oh my gosh, my granny made these, right? And that was the moment, probably that's why I'm so much into fashion now. I was traumatized, you know, but it's those things that we thought made us weird that actually now I love, you know, I've I I make my own clothes. I work with, you know, different um sewers, and now it's such a strength, and people are like, oh, I love that. And I'm like, thank you. You know, I had it made, you know, I made it. Um, so it's like taking that energy that we thought was so made us wrong into amplifying it, that's actually what makes us unique and stand out in the world.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I also think that I also think that for you as an entrepreneur, um, when you what you do that is so strong is that you incorporate all of these things that you love. The uh dance, um um creativity, your your own particular sense of humor, how you how you own that word shit. Yeah. It's it's all so powerful. Again, holy shit, for me to like put that someplace, or to to I made that little rotating, you know, um um uh lose your shit, or what is it, uh let that shit go, let that shit go, which is you know, tribute tribute that to you. I mean, that's that's powerful stuff.
Turning Pain Into Creative Fertilizer
SPEAKER_02It really is, and there's a lot of power in shit. So one of the things in Alive OS that I teach, the very first lesson we do, uh it's called harvest. And it's like write down all this horrible stuff that happened to you. Now write down what good came out of it. We start harvesting and pulling, right? Because shit is fertilizer, it really is, you know, and that's what's funny about pooperia. I'm like, I didn't create it because I thought people were embarrassed. I didn't like the smell of bathroom odor, right? You shouldn't be embarrassed about a biological function.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02It's like, and by design, we don't want to be near it because it's a biological response that we shouldn't eat it, you know. So it's a natural process that we maybe don't want to share with everyone, and that's fine, but not to be embarrassed of it, right? So let's just let all shit go. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I have to remind, I have to remind creatives all the time that uh everybody poops. Listen, don't fall in love with your work. Everybody poops, you know, get over it.
The Luxury Of Losing Everything
SPEAKER_02That's the attachment to the work, right? It's like that that work means something about me versus I think that's why I can, you know, do a brand and it may work and it may not. And I'm like, okay, whatever, you know, it's just God gave it to me and I did it, and it's not, you know, whatever. You know, I'll lose something and keep rolling.
SPEAKER_00Um, I think one of there's there's another aspect of you that is power is extremely powerful in that your a your ability to listen to your gut, ability to listen to what what you want. I mean, that's where that's where poopourry came from. Um I I believe a lot of your business decisions come from come from that.
SPEAKER_02They do. And that happened because in my second bankruptcy, um, I call it the luxury of losing everything.
SPEAKER_00I love that.
SPEAKER_02Well, I'll tell you what, when you are down on your knees, like you start looking back, right? And kind of reassessing stuff. And what I realized was there's so many moves that I made because I thought I had to do it, right? You know, it some of those really kind of slimy business things that you do, you know, like I'll have your back and you'll have mine. And those are really pretty gnarly energetically when you kind of unwind it. So I had that time to really go, shit, I lost everything. But what feels worse than losing everything was the way I went about trying to get it, right? So what I vowed to myself is that I wouldn't override those feelings inside, no matter what, because I said, okay, if I can lose everything again, which you can at any moment, you know, things happen. That was a stock market crash, you know, I don't know what's going to happen. But at least I want to be in a position where I know within my being that I did the best I could and I didn't make those compromises. Because those compromises create energetic leaks, you know, and they usually never work out in my experience. And I'm not saying I still haven't done it. Um, I do from time to time when I want something, right? That's when I have the tendency to compromise. So I have to really check myself and see if people are me, you know, to make sure. Because when we want something, we can kind of I'll just put myself, I can kind of have blinders like it'll be okay. It'll be okay. I'll just ignore that. I'll ignore that feeling down there. This one's gonna work out. It never does.
SPEAKER_00You know, your your your idea of uh the luxury of losing everything is is beautiful. And the way the way I phrase it to a lot of people that I have to work for is uh that I or get to work with is uh is I'm trying, you know, a lot of people come to me and they have a job, and then it's not their job. They're like, my job doesn't let me do this, and my boss doesn't. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. You're using the word my. It ain't your. You're in the wrong fucking place. But we got to figure out how you're gonna get to the right place. But the problem is they do have the job, and it is paying them. So they don't have that fire under their ass. They don't have that luxury of losing everything. So I've got there's a there's a there's a perspective shift that has to happen to put that put them in that place, right? And turn them on to themselves.
SPEAKER_02That's it. Because I'll tell you, you don't have a lot of distractions, you know. Like I said, and the only reason I call it the luxury is I took the time to dig in, right? And kind of go, what happened and what I do. And if I'm going to move forward, how am I going to do it differently? Because it doesn't feel good. You know, and at the end of the day, I said, I want to have fun and I want to feel good. Right. So if I could lose everything again, I want to be like, I felt good, you know? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Did it do it on my own terms.
Gut Intelligence In An AI Age
SPEAKER_02Did it on my own terms, man. And I have, I have made calls. And it's hard as a leader, you know, when you trust your gut and you deal with so many people. Well, as an artist, you know, you're more right brain, right? But our whole world, generally speaking, we are programmed to be left brain thinkers, which I can tell you, I think people are in a lot of trouble right now because um we got something now that can out left brain us. What are you gonna do? I believe that's where our right brain is going to be more valuable. So I really do think we should probably get more into that right brain thinking. Yeah. Um, because I think that I actually think that's what's gonna save humanity. I mean, get off on that roll.
SPEAKER_00But uh yes, anytime I have a conversation about AI, my answer is always humanity. My answer is always that. What we have, what we naturally have, innately have, if, if, if we can allow it, again, we have the lack of perfection, we have our flaws, we have our goofy sense of humor, we have our foibles and our loves and our fears. And those are powerful things. Those are powerful tools.
SPEAKER_02And we have that GPS system that's inside us, right? That is that gut feeling. My daughter called the other day and she's like, Mom, I have this feeling in my stomach, and I'm not sure whether I'm afraid or whether it's a feeling that I shouldn't do this. So I was trying to explain to her the difference, right? Of when you're afraid, it's more like you're on a roller coaster. It's more of an up motion in your belly, right? It's like, oh, like that. And when it's a bad one, it's like a thump.
SPEAKER_00It's like, uh, you know, that's good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So it's important because they can, if you're not attuned to the difference, you can just be like, I have a I have a feeling in my belly. Well, yeah, you have that when you're in love, butterflies, right? It's to know, like, and start to distinguish the difference in that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, what is it? The yeah, the the the the body holds the secret. What is it? The yeah, your your gut knows your gut. It does hold the secret. Yeah. Your your head lies to you.
SPEAKER_02It's creative. I learned that by Byron Katie, that the you know, the mind is creative. It it's creating stories, it's creating narratives, it's bringing back the past to warn you, right? It's all of that, but the body knows the truth, right? So the body is the one that's the storehouse. Yeah, right. And it's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's it's it comes from stoicism. We we suffer more in our imagination than in reality. Because our our minds are so creative that we create, you know. I've got I've got an eight-year-old daughter and a 10-year-old son. I have to tell, I have to get them to understand your mind makes this shit up. It's not real.
SPEAKER_02You know where I learned in that Byron Cady, she said, all mind belongs on paper. And that's what you can do. That's why journaling, I don't really do that because I think I did so much work with her, I was able to sort of unpack a lot, but that's why journaling, because it puts those thoughts from being creative down to something solid into physical, right? Otherwise, the mind is just up there going crazy.
SPEAKER_00It's creative and be spinning its wheels, spinning spinning.
SPEAKER_02It gets me in New York going, you're that little girl from Arkansas still, you know.
Weirdness, Abundance, And The Tree
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um, and for anybody who's who doesn't understand why we're talking, is that um um uh Susie is one of the voices in uh this new book, Hey Weirdo. Uh one of one of eight, actually nine, because I've my voice is in there as well now. Um and Susie, I gotta tell you, people really resonate with with with that that with your your contribution. It really makes sense to them, which is really cool.
SPEAKER_02Oh, thank you so much. It was such an honor and such a surprise. I was, I'm always so wow, I get a little emotional. Um, it's a really big honor. Thank you. Idiot. It's you know, my since I was a little girl, all I wanted is for everybody to know they can create any life they want, you know, and that was my mission is to, oh, thank you for spelling that for her. Um I, you know, and that that is it's just really great. So thank you. It fills my heart, you know, when someone is inspired. And that's the only reason I live a life of transparency and to try to talk about some of this shit, right? It's because, yeah, been there, done it, it doesn't mean anything, you know, like let's just move on. But I think it's the silence that keeps things intact. So I appreciate you bringing the story forward. And, you know, it's um, you know, it's not about money, it's about the it's about human potential.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like you said, you know, it's like not about money, but it is about abundance, right?
SPEAKER_02Yes, abundance. That's it. That's the key word. You know, people think abundance means money. I'm like, money's not gonna make you happy. Trust me, I've had it, I've not, you know. It's all gamuts of it. And that's not at the end of the day, what really, really makes you happy. Does it make life easier? Of course, right? You know, and are there things that are benefits? Everything does, and you should be abundant. It's our nature. You look at any tree, go tell a tree it shouldn't be abundant. Every spring it just grows tons of leaves and then it just throws them out, right? It throws them out, it goes into that process, right? And and that's another thing about abundance. People think that it's this linear line. Well, there are just like everything has seasons, you know, our life has seasons, you know, and it can go up and down, and it just depends on do you want to be on that ride or do you want to be on this ride where you're not so attached to it all, right? Knowing that's gonna go up. Oh, great, I made a lot of money, oh shit, I lost a lot of money. You know, if you take that ride, man, which I've done, it's not done.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good that was a great metaphor with the tree, too, because one of the one of the um um economic influences uh uh that uh for me is uh uh uh this idea that don't follow the sales spiral, follow the tree of life, which I thought was pretty interesting. James! You know, as a as a working, I'm working on memorable graphics.
SPEAKER_02Yes, I'm working. I have this quantum project going on that the world will find out about in a few months, but it's really about going back to the tree of life before the tree of knowledge of good and evil, right? Yeah, like that's where we really live in abundance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Awesome. Um, so um um people should find out more at susybatiste.com or um um aos, alive as shit.
SPEAKER_02Yes, and yes, and uh get that book. It's super awesome. Um, I love that you're bringing out, and I love you use the word weird because I think people can resonate with that. Everyone at some point in their life, they were weird about something, you know, whether you wore the wrong thing to a cocktail party or you know, you know, I can think of a million scenarios where I'll walk in the room and I'm like, oh shit, you know, I'm not I'm not doing it right, you know? So it's the big the big things and the little things that it's okay to stand out and be different.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I walk in and I've got a pink cowboy shirt on, and I'm like, okay, I'm the weirdo. That's groovy.
SPEAKER_02Here's where we get and people probably flock to you, you know? Because and also, oh thank you. She's a live always changed your life. Thank you so much. It changed mine too. Um, so the the thing about it though is that weirdness in us is really our superpower. And it's what, you know, we're in such a world of such mass um, you know, uh you know what you call it, just the, you know, where things have been stripped away just for consumption. And we value those things that are unique, that are different. The hand piece of art, which is getting framed right now. I'll be posting on Instagram. He sent me a beautiful piece of art. Um, so anyway, thank you. Um, but you know, it's those pieces that are really the most valuable. Yeah. You know, and and that's the same thing within ourselves. Those characteristics, you know, are what make us stand out. And I think it's our nature to not want to stand out. And that's again, just old reptilian brain of surviving. Yeah. You know, if I stand out, I'm gonna get hurt.
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SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, which is not uh I'm I'm I'm I believe it is a sin to keep our real selves hidden. Right now, you're thinking, oh man, I wish James Victory could be my mentor, my guru. Hell, I wish he was my coach. Well, you can make that happen. Go to your workisagift.com. There's a questionnaire that will probably help you out, but it'll also give you access to a free call. So let's talk. Let's free you from overwhelm and creative frustration. Let's build your business and help you get paid to do what you love. Again, go to your workoft.com. Let's talk. Right?
SPEAKER_02It absolutely is. And what was that in the Gospel of Thomas? Gay Hendricks taught me there's a quote, and it says something about if you don't bring forth what's inside you, it will destroy you. But if you bring it forth, it will kind of make you it. That's not it, obviously, but it's something like that. You know what I'm saying? It's like that thing that's within us. And I got to grow up with artists. Um, that's why I'm passionate about people. They gave up their art after I was born and they lived lives of addictions. You know, my parents and they really suffered, and I saw what it's like to not bring that forth. Yeah. It's a lot of creative energy stored in you. So get inspired by James, buy the book, and be weird, and we'll maybe we'll maybe we'll get people on, and maybe we should video uh my process about the whenever I do the workshop, right? That'd be awesome. Yeah, that would be awesome.
SPEAKER_00You uh you uh there's a there's a there's a phrase that I that I that I'm fond of and popular of the your work is a gift. Uh Susie, your work is truly a gift. Thank you. I appreciate your time here and um um thank you so much for for coming on here.
SPEAKER_02Thank you so much. Be sure to save this so that we can let a lot more people see it.
SPEAKER_00You bet.
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